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If you want to but don't have the skills, you should really try IMHO it's the best way to free yourself from

Basically it's a headless server, once installed, includes a preconfigured xmpp chat server plus an email server. In addition, it allows for one click installs of many excellent applications like and many more. Give it a spin with this handy demo instance demo.yunohost.org/yunohost/sso

Please boost!

@lps

How does the mail server rank in reputation with other server? Is it internal use only? Is it blocked by major providers?

@lps
I'm asking since I see you are using the subdomains provided by Yunohost. I've had trouble with dynamic DNS and email before.

@jcast I haven't had issues with major providers blocking it, however it will of course be useless to you if your provider blocks port 25:(

@jcast that being said, I don't use the email server as a primary address due to concerns with spam etc but I have used it for example with , works great!

@lps
Cool so maybe I'll save myself some bucks not buying a domain name :)

@jcast it's worth a try ... I still have the intention of eventually migrating to a purchased domain, but honestly so fare I haven't felt the need.

@lps @jcast the nohost.me email from ynh works as a credential for Delta chat? :ablobcathappypaws:

@lps @satur

Very often dyndns based emails are rejected as SPAM. Otherwise yes you could use.

@lps @satur

Setting reverse DNS would help prevent this. My router doesn't have that option, considering contact my ISP.

@lps so you're in your own mastodon instance in a sub.sub.domain.tld? 🤔 👌

I once tried to install a service/app in a sub.sub.yunohost.tld but failed because of dns (or something I now don't remember)

thanks for sharing your experience 🙏

#yunohosters

@lps
Damn, I should have read this 3 days ago. Now I'm in the middle of the installation by hand in the terminal. Only #postfix & Co. left, then it should hopefully work. If not, I will try it after a reset with #yunohost. Thanks for the tip 👍

@UmWerker @lps
It's still a good training to do it manually. You'll appreciate much more the abbreviation with automatized installations like yuno or /e/cloud.
In the end if there is a issue on your server with your yuno installation it will be your problem and you need some skills to fix it or even to receive help from the yuno community.

@caliandroid @lps
True. But isn't it the intention and goal of #yunohost to make these installations more comfortable? Especially to counteract any centralization with simplified setup of an own server? If not, the project would be superfluous. Let's see where I end up 😉

@UmWerker @lps you're right but hosting yuno on a personal public server means more than just installing yuno. Yuno won't keep the Linux system up-to-date, does not control IPTables firewall, does not deliver system wide backup.

In the end to use yuno, you still need the webserver admin skills and yuno is just one of many bricks to control.

@UmWerker @lps if you know how to set up and securize your host system, you will already be skilled enough to orchestrate the apps Yuno automatize

@UmWerker @lps

Aaaaaahhh! Guess I'm too progressive

[FAIL] YunoHost is only available for the version 10 (Buster) of Debian, you are using '11.1'.

@UmWerker @lps in the end it was easy but the DNS settings were not all possible for one of my providers. I had to transfer one of my domains.

Testing continues this evening

@UmWerker @lps another info I wasn't aware of: Yuno manages your firewall and secures even the ssh root access.

I need to see what it does for nginx and PHP stealthing but it looks quite promising.

In the end a noob will just need a tech friend to help him to find the right provider and 15min to install yuno with nextcloud. Afterwards it is easy to handle updates, backup and security settings without special skills. :underheart:

@caliandroid
I'm in love as well, I can't stop telling people about it:)
@UmWerker

@caliandroid @lps
DNS, nginx ... some challenges seem to exist nevertheless. But overall, the package sounds interesting, and I will definitely try it out at the next opportunity.

@caliandroid @UmWerker @lps
They started work on the transition to Bullseye.

forum.yunohost.org/t/alpha-sta

As a #Yunohost user myself since May 2020, I can attest to its ease of use. Although it's simpler with traditional PC hardware (I have a refurbished tiny PC). I first tried with a low powered ARM 32-bit single board computer (Olimex OLinuXino Lime2 A20) and it wasn't powerful enough for my use. Yet, it could probably be used for Pi-hole... 🤔

@normandc @caliandroid @UmWerker @lps I started with Lime 2, but it was underpowered for Nextcloud, so I moved to Raspberry Pi 4. Now it worksgreat with other services as well 🤓

@UmWerker @lps

yunohost.org/en/selfhosting

Why should you not host yourself: Self-hosting requires some work and patience. Hosting yourself is a bit like growing your own garden or vegetables: it requires work and patience. While YunoHost aims to do all the hard work for you, self-hosting still requires that you take time to learn and configure a few things to setup your server properly. You will also need to perform maintenance tasks. [..]

@caliandroid
While this is absolutely true, the beauty of is that it significantly lowers the barrier for entry, it's a quick win! If people find they like "gardening" there's nothing stopping them from learning more:) Speaking from personal experience, the existing options were too complicated for me, but thanks to yunohost I was able to set it up. My thinking is that if we want a better, decentralized internet we need to make it accessible to as many people as possible.
@UmWerker

@lps @caliandroid
To make the entry easier is the point I think. But when I look around, all younger people staring lethargic on their phones, watching others lifes, I'm not confident that own hosting will be charming to them. Perhaps there are enough doing their own thing so decentralized services will survive.

@UmWerker @lps @caliandroid Selfhosting is definitely for people who like to know how things works, with an open mind, ready to learn something new every day.

@miklo
I think that there is a significat role for selfhosting without being concerned with the why or how, or even seeing it as self hosting. For example in my home I have an inexpensive VoIP box that I plug my home phone into. All I needed was to plug it in and make an account. If we had boxes like this for nextcloud installs or even xmpp servers using sbc's it would make these accessible to everyone who's even slightly interested in privacy/data sovereignty
@UmWerker @caliandroid

@lps @miklo @caliandroid
"Easy to connect", however, only works from a preferred position. Most people, even in "rich" nations, have slow or no Internet at all. But it is important to reach them so that they are not exploited by demagogues.

But that's a distraction from the topic at hand.

@be @miklo @UmWerker @caliandroid yeah, way too expensive for what it is .. I'm hoping the people @PINE64 can get in on this

@lps
Not if they have Telus as an ISP, which DROPs *all* new inbound connections unless you pay commercial rates. Bastards.
@miklo @UmWerker @caliandroid

@lps Tell me about it! I have a friend who lives about an hour and a half away and he's not handy with computers, so I figured I'd just throw a hardened sshd on there and some form of dyndns. Drove me nuts wondering why it wasn't working - that's why I know it's DROP. I made him an icon and a key pair. If he clicks it, a reverse ssh tunnel opens to one of my servers, but still, yeah, very shitty.

@miklo @lps @caliandroid
True, but this group is permanently shrinking. As far as the "open mind" is concerned, the news provides evidence to the contrary every day.

@caliandroid
Once you use it, you'll see...everything including updates, backups and general maintenance is available through a web admin panel, much easier than other solutions or taking care of the individual parts
@UmWerker

@lps @caliandroid
For now I set up the server successfully. But next time I will surely give yuno a try.

@lps some time ago I did try it and I had this issues at the time:

the available server applications to host were mostly based on older versions
the Debian distro behind was also so old that it made really difficult to develop towards it and integrate with my own (ex. dotnet) or others server application

Did this change meanwhile as far as you know?

@lps I'm a sysadmin and I still use YUNoHost for me and my friends (even previous job), because it saves so much time and effort managing many little instances with a single login.

@lps

Thanks for sharing. Reminds me to something like #freedombox but with lot more applications. Has anyone perhaps used both?

As a freedombox user, I often find myself having to dig deep into the documentation to get an application to do exactly what I want. Yes, it eliminates the barrier to try something new quickly. But in the end I often have the feeling that I could have set up everything myself. (And if I didn't know how Debian works, I wouldn't know how to use it anyway).

Nevertheless: I love this approach. While it's certainly not for everyone (as promoted), it should be interesting to enough people who offer it as a service to their friends.

@lps Thanks so much for this advice! I am in the midst of scoping a personal project for myself, setting up a #selfhosted server in 2022 for a #homelab. Your suggestion came at a perfect time for me, and I am now looking into using #yunohost instead of a full #docker and #portainer deployment scheme. At the very least, I intend to deploy #nextcloud and #bitwarden as selfhosted apps next year, and this should certainly help ease the learning curve for me.

@frittro
I'm so glad it's helpful, now don't forget to spread the word:). Also, there's a great and helpful community at forum.yunohost.org as well as documentation on the main site
yunohost.org/en there is also a very active irc channel which is bridged to matrix and xmpp :) Quick tip, if you do plan hosting from your home, don't forget it needs to be directly connected to your main router via Ethernet during setup, this let's it automatically configure some NAT settings

@lps I am steadily progressing with my test install of #yunohost for #selfhosting my #homelab in 2022. I have been getting some great support on the YNH forums and irc channel. For the first 6 months, I will do more testing, then I plan to deploy my production machine from about July 2022. Lots of learning still to do, but this looking great so far! 😎

forum.yunohost.org/t/is-yunoho

@lps
> "now don't forget to spread the word"

I was talking to my wife's cousin today, he lives about 5hrs away from us. We have an invite to his place in the New Year to show him our #yunohost setup, as he is currently trying to ween himself off Google apps. So YNH will get me an NYH (New Year holiday), haha.

@frittro
That's awesome, we're heading in the right direction;)

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